Gambling With an Edge - guest Dice Control part 2

 Our guest this week is Frank B.  Frank is back for part 2 of our discussion on dice control.

We welcome your questions - send them to us at gamblingwithanedge@gmail.com, or you can find me at @RWM21 on Twitter or https://www.facebook.com/GamblingWithAnEdge.

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Show Notes

[00:00] Introduction of advantage player, Frank B
[00:40] Las Vegas re-opens
[03:46] Caesars is now El Dorado
[05:50] Cashing out slot tickets
[09:45] Frank B's realized return from dice
[10:43] How many hours of practice did Frank put in?
[12:26] Did results deteriorate over long sessions?
[13:33] Was Frank self-taught or did he pay for lessons?
[22:29] Using a high-speed camera
[27:08] South Point Casino June Promotions - $500k Spin to Win
[28:50] BlackjackApprenticeship.com - card counting training site and community with software, community, and other tools
[29:23] VideoPoker.com/gwae - Gold Membership offers correction on most games, free Pro Membership trial for GWAE listeners
[30:27] Do's and Don't of playing advantage craps
[42:44] Countermeasures in Las Vegas
[47:51] Countermeasures outside of Las Vegas
[49:34] Tim Tebow touchdown prop
[53:41] Recommended - Croupier, Jake's Bar


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Gambling With an Edge - guest Frank B on dice control

Our guest this week is Frank B on to talk in depth about dice control.  This is part one, and part two will be in a few weeks.

We welcome your questions - send them to us at gamblingwithanedge@gmail.com, or you can find me at @RWM21 on Twitter or https://www.facebook.com/GamblingWithAnEdge.

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Show Notes

[00:00] Sound quality information for this episode
[00:40] Introduction of Frank B and the topic of dice control.
[01:12] Mattress Mack bets on the Kentucky Derby
[03:55] Did Mack's betting affect the price of his horse?
[05:30] Frank's background in dice control
[09:26] How did the Golden Nugget react to the dice control experiment?
[13:50] Did Frank B pay for dice control lessons?
[16:42] Inputting roll data
[18:08] How many rolls were ultimately recorded?
[21:00] Hitting the wall
[25:20] Table grading
[29:56] Evaluating the edge
[38:04] South Point Casino May Promotions - Half-Priced Gas and Goods, Memorial Day Hot Seat, and others
[39:30] BlackjackApprenticeship.com - card counting training site and community, there will be bootcamps this summer
[39:50] VideoPoker.com/gwae
[40:39] Returning to the best tables
[50:21] Mexican casinos and tax on winnings
[53:07] Recommended - Honey Salt in Summerlin, Michihito Kageyama on Youtube, Tunity app

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Gambling With an Edge - guest Michael Kaplan 2

Our guest this week is gambling writer Michael Kaplan. For my money Michael is the number one gambling writer today. Mainly we discuss two articles.

The Baccarat Machine This article is about Kelly Sun's exploits with Phil Ivey.  Together they won millions of dollars at baccarat using a technique called edge sorting.

How Advantage Players Game the System This article from the NY Times magazine tells the story of James Grosjean beating a craps game dealt with cards.

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Gambling With an Edge - listener emails 2

We have no guest this week.  Bob and Richard answer listener emails.

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Gambling With an Edge - guest Anthony Curtis

Our guest this week is Anthony Curtis, publisher of The Las Vegas Advisor, and owner of Huntington Press books. This wee we discuss the changes going on with Gambling With an Edge, and the new website GamblingWithanEdge.com. We also discuss this article on Advantage Players in the NY Times - How Advantage Players Game The System, and this article from Deadspin on sports touts. 
How America’s Favorite Sports Betting Expert Turned A Sucker’s Game Into An Industry.

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Gambling With an Edge - guest Max Coins

Our guest this week is Max Coins. We talk about managing risk, and how to analyze certain gambling situations.

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Gambling With an Edge - guest Frank B. on dice control

The guest this week is Frank B. on to talk about his experience with dice control..

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The Back Room

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 Our hero finds himself in the back room after winning at craps!

The Adventures of Casino ManagerMan

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Conventional Wisdom

Recently on one of the blackjack boards someone posted something like this: "I'm going to be in Vegas this week. Does anyone want to meet, and maybe team up?" He was quickly slammed with responses like, "This is a good way to lose all your money." or "Don't trust people you meet on the internet." Loyal readers know that Rule #3 is "Don't listen to people on the internet," but it got me thinking about how rewarding, and profitable meeting people over the internet has been for me. I am not saying you should share your bankroll with the first guy that sends you a PM, especially if his handle is a synonym for Conman. But if you have any street-sense at all you should be able to make a judgement regarding whether or not a person is someone you want to do business with.

I met a guy in a chat room, let's call him T5. People prattled on about keeping a side count of 7s, or how much better the playing efficiency was of this count over that. This is all stuff I have no interest in, but T5 seemed to be actually interested in making money, so while they talked we would be having our own conversation using the private chat mode. He was very interested in shuffle tracking, and this was many years ago when shuffles were still good. He asked if he could fly out to California, and meet with me to talk about shuffle tracking. I tried to discourage him. He lived back east, it would be an expensive flight, and my kids were babies so he would have to stay in a hotel, but he said he wanted to invest his time and money if I would give him some of my time.  I said okay. He came out, and I taught him what I could about shuffle tracking. I felt kind of guilty because I wasn't much of a teacher, and didn't give him a lot of my time. Anyway, about a year later he calls me up, and says he found a very trackable game, but in addition he thought it would be good for sequencing. (Sequencing games are something I very much enjoy.) He described the shuffle, and I said, "Let's go." It turned out to be a nice mid 5-figure score.

Conventional wisdom; I guess I am just a contrarian. When people say they would never play at internet casinos because they probably cheat, and they have no reason to pay you, I think - sounds like that is where the money is. In fact, when internet gambling first started I did get stiffed for a very big number. A few year later I went back and tried again, and did quite well thank you.

Years ago I did an interview with Rob R. one of the founders of CORE. For those who don't know, when gambling first opened in CA it was Class II. That meant the casinos were not allowed to bank games, only players could bank against each other, and the casino would take a commission for each hand.  You can still find this structure in Oklahoma or the CA card rooms. CORE was the first group to take over all the banking in casinos. Their business grew all over the state of CA, and it became one of the most successful gambling ventures ever, taking in tens of millions of dollars if not more. But when this banking first started cheating was rampant. Stanford Wong, and Arnold Snyder both warned people about the dangers of banking because of the cheating. Rob told me this.

"Those articles were very good for us. People were terrified to bank. Our attitude was, they might be able to cheat us for a little while, but we’ll figure it out and stop them. That was part of the game. The fear of being cheated was much worse than the actual cheating. I always like to go into those areas where others are afraid to go."

So when some asshole on the internet tells you, Dice control is not worth pursuing, take what I say with a grain of salt.

Gambling With an Edge - guest K.C.

Our guest this week is known simply as K.C., and was one of the most fascinating guests we have had.  K.C. started as a professional blackjack player, and when he started getting barred he turned to craps.  He read Wong on Dice and decided that this was the game for him.  He won $1.5 million dollars at craps before the dice started to turn.  After losing almost all of that money back he now thinks that he never had an edge.  Yet many casinos barred him from playing dice!  We also talked about a documentary film he has been working on about his blackjack adventures.  Here is the trailer for Inside The Edge.

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Gambling With an Edge - guests Michael Shackleford and Avery Cardoza

We have two guests on our show this week.  First up is Michael Shackleford aka "The Wizard of Odds."  Mike is on to talk about the lack of any real data supporting dice control.  We also talk briefly about an online casino software that he busted for cheating at craps.  Our second guest is Avery Cardoza.  Avery is the owner of Cardoza publishing which is the largest publisher of gambling material in the world.  He is also the owner of Gamblers Book Club, a Las Vegas institution.  We discuss his new novel Lost in Las Vegas as well as what other new gambling books will be coming out soon.

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Gambling With an Edge - guest Stanford Wong

Our guest this week is Stanford Wong. We discuss controlled dice throwing, and his book, Wong on Dice. Bob and I also discuss "scares" which in video poker means near misses of a royal flush, but in blackjack usually involves security guards.

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Dice Control

Stanford Wong will be on Gambling With an Edge this week to talk about dice control, and his book, Wong on Dice. The book is not really a "How to" on dice control.  It reads more like a chronicle of how he got interested, what he did then to convince himself it was real, then his experiences in learning to do it, and finally the reactions of other professional gamblers resulting in a large wager. Throughout the book Wong mentions a class called Golden Touch which he took in learning dice control, and a book called, Get the Edge at Craps by Sharpshooter. So what is dice control?  Can you really throw two cellulite cubes six or more feet down a table and have the results not be random?  And more importantly, if you can develop this skill can you win any money at it?